I conflated with the more abused marquee tag, but the example only highlights my position: browser companies do whatever the hell they want and don't give a damn about standards.ĭespite your attempts at semantics, which are absolutely wrong by the way, standards are to ensure a page LOOKS and WORKS exactly the same despite the browser in use.Įvery developer I've known has spent hours working with multiple browsers to ensure the page looks and works exactly the same. They just wanted to ensure if their element or recommendation was accepted, all other browser companies would follow. They couldn't care less about the outcome of the idea. While you are correct developers will submit proposals to the W3C, and discussions are had on the best way to implement those ideas, the reality is browser companies only want to see support for their idea. You have the Chrome ecosystem, or the (continually diminishing) Mozilla ecosystem.Ĭlick to expand.Going to disagree with you on this one. There simply are no real options if you want to switch browsers. According to Wikipedia, Mozilla invested in Cliqz in 2016, and "Cliqz plans to eventually monetize the software through a program known as Cliqz Offers, which will deliver sponsored offers to users based on their interests and browsing history." Fuck that. It's just Firefox with a shipped monetising extension. It even uses Firefox's version number, it is Firefox with a different name.Ĭliqz is a fucking joke. Icedragon is like Iceweasel or Icecat, and is basically the Firefox browser shipped with Comodo's security extensions. Neither Seamonkey nor Pale Moon have the resources to keep up, and Pale Moon were even forced to drop Android support and discontinue their mail client (Fossamail) due to lack of resources. I love Pale Moon (just like I still love Seamonkey) but I have to practical. I switched to Pale Moon back when Seamonkey stagnated, but I was forced to switch again to Waterfox a month or so ago because Pale Moon is just so unresponsive. It's rendering engine diverged to the point that Pale Moon's lead developer (Moonchild) trademarked it Goanna, to distinguish it from Gecko. They even run their own independent sync server. Pale Moon forked years ago, and maintains a completely separate and independently developed codebase. Pale Moon is the only real fork here that doesn't rely on Mozilla releasing new versions of Firefox (Seamonkey doesn't really rely on it either, but it's barely being updated anyway). However, it's still completely reliant on Mozilla releasing new versions of Firefox, and it even uses Mozilla's sync server for sync. Waterfox Classic, on the other hand, is a bit more involved, in that it preserves the ability to use XUL extentions. Each new release of Firefox is given these modifications, and called Waterfox Current. Waterfox Current is a sort-of fork of Firefox, with a few modifications. Again, without Firefox, there is no Icecat. This of course makes it unofficial, which means it can't use the Firefox name. Richard Stalin doesn't like the way Mozilla compiles against non-free libraries, so Icecat is the Firefox codebase but compiled using libraries like LibreJS instead. Iceweasel isn't an alternative to Firefox, it is Firefox. Debian devs tweaked the Firefox code to make it work properly/better on Debian, which means it's no longer an official release, which means it can't use the trademarked Mozilla/Firefox branding. Iceweasel is Firefox, with different branding. It's sync no longer works and it has very few available extensions. But it's basically on life support and get's virtually no development. Seamonkey/Mozilla Suite was great, and I continued to use it for years after Firefox and Thunderbird were forked from it. Click to expand.The problem is that almost none of those are real alternatives.
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